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    ... that I have ever played.
    So yesterday I'm in my casino's regular $50 Sunday afternoon tournament. We had exactly 90 players to start. An hour and a half in, we reach our first break, after the fourth level. We start with 10,000 in chips, and by the time of the break, I still had my basic starting stack of 10,750.
    Coming back from break, I was about 10 minutes late. As I was approaching the table, I noticed that someone was sitting in my seat. So I assumed that I must have been moved, and I went to the tournament booth to find out where my new seat was. They told me I had not been moved. I pointed toward my seat and said "yeah, I have, someone else is sitting in my seat right now."
    As I pointed, you could clearly see that the guy was in the middle of playing a hand.
    I had left my sunglasses and other personal effects at the seat so I went over to retrieve them.
    Now, remember, these are the electronic poker screens made by PokerPro Inc. My name was clearly still on my screen. This guy had been removed from his table to my table, but he sat in my seat by mistake, and had been playing my hands!
    He had dumped off about 5000 of my chips!
    Of course they paused the tournament while they tried to sort this fiasco out.
    They finally ejected this guy from the tournament, banned him from participating in tournaments for the next month, and restored my chips back to its original number before the break.
    Very next hand, after this 15 minute brouhaha, I get pocket aces, I shove over a raise and a call, the original raiser calls with King Jack of spades, and the board runs him out a flush.
    So I'm out.
    As an interesting side note, I had the ace of spades, so two spades wouldn't have helped this guy....4 spades on the board wouldn't have helped this guy. He had to get exactly 3 spades, and that is what he got. I could go on and on about the voodoo chakra stones that this guy keeps in front of him in a little bag, but I won't.
    Anyway, the more I thought about it afterwards, the more I realized what a competitive disadvantage I had been placed in since they restored my chip stack. The long and short of it is, the 5000 chips that this guy donked off went to the other players at my table. So even though my chip stack was restored, the rest of those players still had an extra competitive advantage over me with the extra 5000 chips that had been introduced to my table.
    They should have immediately halted the tournament, canceled it, and restarted it as far as I'm concerned. Because even though I had busted out with pocket aces, the fact remained that the rest of the players at my table still had a competitive advantage against the rest of the players in the field.
    I spent half an hour explaining this to the tournament director, the manager of the casino, and an on-site gaming commission representative.
    Chips change in value as attornment progresses and players are eliminated. So at the very least, the chip values were skewed in this tournament and it was unfair.
    Anyway, they refunded my tournament, and all is well in the universe. Except that I then played a cash game, had 86 off suit in the big blind, the flop was 686, and I got it all in against a guy who held pocket eights.

    Sigh.

    What a day.

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    Wow, tough day in the office ;)

    I've always imagined it's tricky with live tourneys (compared to online) to keep track of things. I'm sure these sorts of things happen occasionally, although you're right that it put you at a disadvantage. Good to hear they refunded you though.
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    I'm sure this wasn't funny at the time, but it was funny reading it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Queso View Post
    They finally ejected this guy from the tournament, banned him from participating in tournaments for the next month, and restored my chips back to its original number before the break.
    Is there no way this guy made a genuine mistake? The punishment sounds a bit harsh, unless there's no way it could have been an honest mistake. What was his excuse?

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    They should have immediately halted the tournament, canceled it, and restarted it as far as I'm concerned.
    I agree that you were at a slight disadvantage, but that's not enough to cancel the tournament, IMO. If it was in the first few hands then sure, but not almost 2 hours into it. And (just to play devil's advocate)... you were late.

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    Anyway, they refunded my tournament, and all is well in the universe.
    That was nice of them.

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    Mistake or no, there's no way you can sit at someone else's seat in a tournament and play his hands and lose his chips. I think he got the extra for being belligerent when they wouldn't refund his money.

    Anyway I just can't see the introduction of $5000 extra chips into a tournament at one table. I don't know what happened to my chips while I was gone. It's possible that they went to only one of my opponents all at once in one hand. How would this be any different from a player pulling $5000 in chips out of his pocket and secretly adding them to his stack? Would you have no problem with that if that was discovered? What would be done at a final table if it was learned that the total chip count was greater than the total starting amount?

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    Also, late? I can come in any time I want to and play. If I'm not there, my chips merely get blinded off. I'm not sure how "late" comes into the equation.
    To play "devil's antagonist", as it were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queso View Post
    Also, late? I can come in any time I want to and play. If I'm not there, my chips merely get blinded off. I'm not sure how "late" comes into the equation. To play "devil's antagonist", as it were.
    Yep, fair point. I take it back.

    As for a ruling... it's an interesting situation and I'm not sure what they would do in other card rooms. A better solution might have been to re-start your table from the chip counts at the break, if possible.

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    I agree, if that were possible, but what about the guy who just won a few big hands or whatever? I'm sure he wouldn't want to reset. It is interesting, though, to know what ruling would be best. Where's that girl Kelli Mix when you need her? 😗

    Of course the whole thing could have been avoided if he had doubled me up. I would have quietly directed him back to his own seat and not made a peep. 😀

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    Yeah, I forgot about the other players. But then again, why didn't they speak up? Or would they have not known the guy was playing with your chips even though he was in your seat? If they could have spotted the mistake then they share some of the responsibility. In which case I wouldn't feel too bad about whoever won a few hands.

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    They said they just assumed that I had been moved and that he had been moved into my seat. I can't really blame them. I like unobservant players at my table actually. :)
    The whole thing was just so bizarre. I still think they should have restarted the tournament. It's happened before. Even in live cards, one time a guy swiped chips from a neighboring stack. They stopped the tourney for an hour while they tried to sort it out. They finally restarted the tournament, three hours in by that point. Anyone who wanted got a refund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queso View Post
    The whole thing was just so bizarre.
    You're not wrong!

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