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    Two table tournament of 12 people.
    We are now 6 or 7 levels into this and 8 of us are on just one table.
    Average stack is about 150 chips and blinds are 5/10.
    I got 112 chips UTG and have pocket tens.
    I hate UTG and almost fold, think about shoving but bet 35. It folds all the way around to the big blind who calls after Hollywooding.
    The flop is A, Q, 6 rainbow. He checks and I bet 35 after 5 seconds.
    He shoves. I fold.
    I felt like I really screwed up here. What did I do wrong?

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    Open shove. Solves your problem before it happens.

    As played... well, you have a pot-sized bet left on the flop. Really can't bet and fold, the odds are too good UNLESS you KNOW he has that A or Q. If there is any chance he has a draw then you must call.

    Most likely he figured you'd call the rest so he shoved. Simply calling would have usually looked very suspicious with you so short.

    Eight handed, TT is a pretty strong hand with only 11 BBs left. Avoid the c-bet hell you found yourself in and just get it in.
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    BTW, it IS close via Nash. Using holdemresources:

    9.2%, TT+ A9s+ A5s-A4s AJo+ KTs+ KQo QJs

    This is your shoving range if all play to Nash. You were right to be weary of TT but almost always its good enough to open shove as short as you were here.
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    Yep, as Rycky said.... shove pre-flop.

    Although I'm curious about the setup of the tournament...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harald Zone View Post
    Two table tournament of 12 people.
    We are now 6 or 7 levels into this and 8 of us are on just one table.
    Average stack is about 150 chips and blinds are 5/10.
    I presume this was played as a shootout since the tables weren't balanced. But the blind structure is a bit unorthodox.

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    We start with even number of players with 80 chips each on two tables and combine tables when we get down to ten players. The levels are 40 minutes long. The blinds progess like this: .25/.50, .50/1, 1/2, 2/4, 3/6, 4/8, 5/10, 6/12, 10/20, 20/40. There is an optional add-on of 20 after the third level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyckyRych View Post
    BTW, it IS close via Nash. Using holdemresources:

    9.2%, TT+ A9s+ A5s-A4s AJo+ KTs+ KQo QJs
    Is any one of those behind ever going to call wide enough to make shipping neutral Ev, though?

    Anyhow, if there's a lot of re-stealing all-in going on or there are ultra shorties, I might (min) open tens here and call all-ins of ranges I figure to dominate. If there's a good chance of getting flatted, I ship, as getting flatted is, as Harald found out, a nightmare with such a short stack.
    Last edited by J_Verschueren; Nov 22nd, 2012 at 04:40 AM.

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