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    jimbot25 is offline Junior Member
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    Default The guys who shove with flush draws on the flop.

    In the last month or so I've been getting hit badly by these guys.
    They call anything pre-flop if they are suited and then when they flop a flush draw the shove all in.
    Because of the nature of their hand, the text of the board and the fact that I was the preflop raiser it is often very obvious that they hold this, its almost always such an easy call. I have been stacked in like 4 out of 6 of my last cash games due to just this. It just happened at the casino tuesday (I flop 2 pair Q J on a QJ7 board lose to Ace9), again, then tonight some guy on bet online cracks my aces twice in like 7 minutes doing just that never holding any combination of draws either just the flush w/ Q10 and A4. I am suffering severe tilt right now, but also an anxiety and feeling of having no control over my destiny. but my question is this.

    Is there some other way to deal with this? I dont like telling bad beat stories so I'm not here to whine but to ask, am I doing something wrong, is there some creative way to negate these guys? Is it not as correct a call as I thought? Do you just need to bring 3 buy ins?

    I feel that when they do that they surrender every bit of edge they have, and all the odds they would have gotten by playing reasonably therefore they must be wrong. They haven't got much fold equity against a straightforward player. So they have to be regular losers, right?

    How do you deal with these players?

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    This seems more like a SNG/MTT play than a cash-game thing but I handled it like anything else. If I'm getting the right price to call, I call. If I'm not I'll let it go. I'm not sure you can deal with it any other way.
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    It's mostly happening at the casino in 1-2 no limit cash games. I'm developing a PTSD from this streak of identical bad beats. I try to play small ball with the bigger suckers, and it ends with a state of super tilt, as it is almost the only way some of them can get my chips. How smart they must feel, they correctly figured a big semi bluff was right, and it payed off. I suppose I'm suffering some variance and need to try buying in for 100 instead of 200, and having a couple reloads ready to win that back, if I can stay cool about it.


    the residual tilt has caused me to allow myself to make some uncharacteristic and costly mistakes inbetween.

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    I see no reason to not buy-in for the maximum the table allows. As you suspect, its merely what we call variance. I would be more concerned about the things you can control, like your tendency to go on tilt.
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    I would suppose that if they are putting you on top pair they have good equity henceforth only need a fold about 60 percent of the time to break even and it is hard to call an all in with just a pair if there also shoving there nut style hands trips and two pair this is fairly valid. Your doing fine you would never be wrong calling if you were certain of the draw they are mostly banking on fold equity.

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