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    Default I did "a thing"...

    I guess that's what the youngsters call going against better judgement these days. I was a bit peaked, irked at the time, but I woudn't call it fully "on tilt".

    So I was playing online on a local client (sportsbook site) tonight and got into a tangle with a reckless player. I was looking to trap him and managed to get all the money in (just over 6,- Euro at 6-max 5NL) in with a flopped straight vs bottom pair. Obviously, this looney toon then hit runner-runner full house on me and insta-quit (real classy, right?).

    That game, having lost its fish, broke up real quick, so was left, sort of steaming, with just one table going and, then it hit me: this guy had all the charactistics of someone trying to buy in short at the lowest level and seeing how far he could "run with it". On this hunch I scanned the higher tables and, sure enough, there he was with what was left of about 12,- Euro at a , full ring, 25NL table. The seat to the left of the guy in question was open and would be next to receive the BB. Perfect (sorta), right? -In my haste to sit down, I failed to change my buy-in options and bought in for the full amount (strategically, quite aside from the fact I would be punching above my weight from an online point of view, I should have only bought in to cover the fish). So now I'm sitting in this, full ring 25NL game for 100BBs and, after going through the blinds (so no real reads due to too few hands), this hand occurs.

    I have yet to figure out how to get a hand history in text format from this site (and screenshots from their hand history window aren't working either), so I'll describe what went down.

    Relevant stacks:

    Villain is MP2 with about 18,- Euros, hero is BTN with 25,- Euros. Fish is CO with just under 11,- Euros and BB has 37,- Euros, but the latter two won't matter.

    Villain opens for 0,70- Euros, fish calls, I have and overcall, BB calls.

    Flop, 4 players, pot: 2,90- Euros:
    BB checks, villain bets 1,50-, fish folds... ok, so our mark is out. Let's not muck about and take what's in the middle (I don't want to tango with the rest of the 25NL crowd). I raise to 6,50-, BB folds and... villain pauses and calls.

    Turn is , check-check.

    River is , villain leads 4,- Euro... hero?
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    Hard not to raise here. Could he have AA or KK? Sure. But you haven't played it like a set at all. However, what hand would ever call your raise now after the way you played it? Most people with a set would call the flop and raise the turn, you did not. The only hand he might call a raise with is AK and 22. Doubtful he calls the flop with 66 but he could if he felt you were trying to rep the ace. I think I just call, I don't think we get a call and win often enough when we raise.
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    I think it's clear I didn't really have a plan in the hand. The raise on the flop was an impulse decision and I didn't really expect to be called. Once villain called this sort of froze me on the turn. For some reason I feared a check-raise and a difficult decision, so my reasoning changed to "if he wants to go to show down, let's go to showdown". It didn't occur to me he might have called the flop, just to see if I'd continue the aggression on the turn.
    River, as you say, tempting to just raise, but then I thought "what hand can he call with which doesn't have us beat?", so I called. Villain had , unlucky river for him, but I should have just clarified the hand on the turn, I think.

    After a couple more hands it was clear villain wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but, in poker, you don't have to be to beat a total tool. So he helped himself to the last of fish's money and that spelled the end of my first shot at 25NL online.

    Thanks for the input.

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    Nice stab at the big leagues, J!

    As Rycky said (and as I think you know), your best move would have been to continue your aggression on the turn. After you said he paused and then called the flop, I'd put the villain on Ax.

    the call on the river was good in the circumstances though. A river raise would've been ok but you'd have only been called by 2-pair, a smaller set or a hand that was crushing you.
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    Default I did "a thing"...

    I'm in a hurry at work so I haven't really read this all as thoroughly as I should I guess.
    Because I'm really confused. Are you saying you are in a game where the max buy-in is 25 euros? So this is like $40 US? And you flopped a set against a fish? I'm sorry, where is the decision? I'm getting all my money in against him as fast as I can.

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    No Queso, fish folded to a c-bet from the original raiser (an unknown entity at this stage), J 3-bet and OR called. The decision is about what to do next.
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    Still confused. I see the villain betting into us on the river on a 2A46K no-flush-possible board.

    Are we worried about villain having 35 or a higher set? No. As I said, I'm getting all in as fast as possible: I never would have checked the turn. If he has those hands, so be it.

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    I agree, Queso. From what I understand, J was playing above his usual buy-in and couldn't pull the trigger. But you're right that he should've assumed he'd flopped the best hand and should have been playing for value.
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    Yes, ideally he should have played it differently on the flop and turn.
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