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    The info I wanted was all information you should always give, like stack sizes, blind levels and pot sizes. The speed of the MTT is important too. I will admit, the age of the player can be a nice basic tell, at least it was at the places I played the few times I played for money live.

    The one time I was faced with this near-exact action the guy immediately folded as soon as I reraised (I shoved actually, I had AT on a T-high board). He was an older fella and decided that he would bet into me to "see what I had". Could I have called? No. My stack size was at a level where the shove was the only real option as a call was awkward and a simple reraise was too much of my stack.

    In your spot I'm actually a little undecided still. I do think the T on the turn is horrible for you and a fold is correct. As I said, it depends on your stack size, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Verschueren View Post
    That's the point, what does raising a pot sized donkbet accomplish (in a tournament)? -it folds out hands you beat/have little chance of improving and provokes reraises with a nuts/air range, putting you to a tough decision.
    Your average player won't re-raise with air. If they do re-raise then I'd have to put them on a set. In many ways it's better to find out where you are earlier in the hand, is it not? What about if we just call, the turn is a blank, and he fires again?

    Quote Originally Posted by J_Verschueren View Post
    Because people will donk sets OOP. Their reasoning is the pre-flop raiser is going to be unpaired most of the time, the board hasn't helped those hands, so, in order to "protect" donking with medium pairs or flopped pairs-mediocre kicker, they have to donk with really strong hands as well. Do not expect sets to automatically go for the check/raise.
    The same arguement applies to us. Are you only going to re-raise a donk bet with the nuts? Or do you never re-raise a donk bet?

    If we raise pre-flop and then raise a donk bet, what are we representing? A very strong hand. We take back control of the hand.

    BTW, I'm not against calling in this spot. Some good points have been made.

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    "early stages of the tournament", to me, denotes all the necessary stack size, blind info, etc. But now I'm just being snotty. :)

    The main reason I held all that info back was because I feel the 'donk bet' scenario is almost information-proof. In other words, no matter the stage, stack sizes, blind level, etc, being donk-bet in general would probably provoke the same response no matter what. Maybe I'm wrong.

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    I'm leaning toward the reraise. I can see Tim's point, if he then shoves on you, you can safely fold.
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