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    Default Is this poker suicide...

    ...or a reasonable enough play?


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    I think the play up until the turn is fine. I would just call on the turn and not get too tricky. Semi bluffing is good, but this is a big risk. At these stakes it's less likely a player will give up their ace, and there's a high chance the villan had one of those. This also means they'll likely pay you off on the river if you do hit, which would have only cost $5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    At these stakes it's less likely a player will give up their ace, and there's a high chance the villan had one of those. This also means they'll likely pay you off on the river if you do hit, which would have only cost $5.

    That is almost an understatement. Most of my pay-days at these levels are always from those nice fellows that will not let go of their ace.

    Through my experiences the only play that would be workable play here is just simply call on the turn.

    At these levels if you are having to go all-in to make a convincing bluff, it will be disaster. I am not sure if it is simply the disbelief of "No way my ace is beat" or what. But, in most situations I have seen in these levels an all-in is like an invitation to calls.

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    Matt ... my vote is it's suicide. First, I'm not a big fan of going all-in on a draw especially when you "know" you're beat and have to hit to win. Yeah, you have 15 outs but to what ... the idiot end of the straight and a 5 high flush.!!! I say ...
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    I think it was suicide, because you just didn't have a hand. The ace wasn't really an issue, the villian could have had and still won the pot.

    One rule I am ::trying:: to follow right now is don't go all-in ( or call all-in ) unless you know you have the nut. When the Ace appeared, that added to the number of hands that dominate ( TIME's article ) your hand.

    Unfortunately, I have a folder of hand histories where I did the same thing, many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EddieRich View Post
    I think it was suicide, because you just didn't have a hand.
    But I did have a big draw and fold equity.

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    Yes you did, I'll give you that !

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    I vote for suicide/spew. I get preflop some, I know in cash you do sometimes have implied odds to hit a big hand. Thing is here your draw on the flop was only to the bad end of the straight, where if the 8 hits you could be drawing dead to a better straight (if the SB didn't already have it with 98).
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    100% suicide. You called a 3.5 raise with 54s against 2 players OOP. Then called another raise with the sucker end of the straight draw. Then again with a baby flush draw. Nowhere in the hand was you ever ahead.
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    Please, next time find an older thread to answer. I find newer topics like this one to be mundane.
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