Caught some flak over this one...

[J_Verschueren]

Specifically my 1st flopcall. Opinions?

Reads (for players in the hand when action folds to me):
- Players 2, 3 and 8 are ttight (Player 3 is a 12-tabling reg).
- Player 9 is weak.
- Player 10: unknown just sat down w/ $0,40- (1 table) and folded his blinds/button.
- Player 1 also plays regularly (2 tables) and is a weird specimen. Fairly loose OOP, but generally effective due to extreme aggression and often being fairly strong in that situation. In position is where he falls down. He's extremely loose/aggressive and only folding the worst hands if it's raised (back) to him (i.e. a flopzombie). Postflop extremely agressive in position with anything (seen making it 3 bets on the flop w/ J-high/runner-runner draw and an ace on board). He seems oblivious to other player's playing styles.

Edit1: no tracking software, but I'm probably hovering around 15/12/2.8 (Vpip/Pfr/AF).

Edit2: I had to change "Pokerstars Hand #..." to "Pokerstars Game #..." to get the replayer to accept the hand, so, apparently, this is not limited to playmoney.

[texas_muck'em]

fixed limit holdem? obviously

[J_Verschueren]

fixed limit holdem? obviously

Yeah and, to my surprise, betting is capped heads-up on the river as well.

[RyckyRych]

Limit? I can see raising to build a pot on that flop, yes.

[Tim]

Specifically my 1st flopcall. Opinions?

I would question your pre-flop raise but on the flop you have the correct pot odds to call. Easy call, IMO.

Limit? I can see raising to build a pot on that flop, yes.

But he didn't raise. Raising to build a pot would be incorrect anyway.

[J_Verschueren]

I would question your pre-flop raise but on the flop you have the correct pot odds to call. Easy call, IMO..

Yeah, I kinda talked myself into that one, because of the tight blinds, the "empty" seat (the guy w/ 6BB) behind and the fact Player1 might isolate himself against me. I wouldn't normally play A9s from MP1, for sure.
I also hate to open limp, eventhough, in those games, I might get away with it.

I can see Rycky's argument for raising. It just didn't occur to me at the time. You're saying it would be incorrect because a lack of implied odds?

[RyckyRych]

The preflop raise I can see being a little much but I left that as more personal choice.

[RyckyRych]

But he didn't raise. Raising to build a pot would be incorrect anyway.

Why? I have read in several areas, mainly Small Stakes Hold 'em by Ed Miller, that building a pot with a draw such as this is often the best thing to do in limit. Maybe I shouldn't say "build a pot", I should say raise to protect your hand, in this case its mostly a draw.

Perhaps there is a specific reason that in this hand that advice is not proper?

[Tim]

You're saying it would be incorrect because a lack of implied odds?

No, nothing to do with implied odds. Implied odds aren't really a factor here because a) it's limit and b) flush draws have crap implied odds.

Why? I have read in several areas, mainly Small Stakes Hold 'em by Ed Miller, that building a pot with a draw such as this is often the best thing to do in limit. Maybe I shouldn't say "build a pot", I should say raise to protect your hand, in this case its mostly a draw.

Perhaps there is a specific reason that in this hand that advice is not proper?

He has a strong hand on the flop but will probably need to hit his flush. He doesn't need to build a pot because the other guys are doing that. Basically, look to hit your hand as cheaply as possible and build a pot when you hit your flush.

Also, you want to keep one or two more customers for when the stakes double. But I don't think this last point is really a factor in this situation because they probably aren't folding. As for "protecting his hand" - he has nothing to protect.

[RyckyRych]

Seems to be the opposite for what Mr. Miller suggests. He believes the best play is to build the pot when you have these strong draws for when you hit you get paid handsomely in comparison to the amount you would still risk.

I will say that this hand did have a lot of action with multiple players so it is likely safe to say we have exactly 9 outs. I doubt an ace or a 9 will help us unless we hit both or trips (and even then we might be smoked). Even so, such a large pot is one to be played for aggressively according to Miller since there is some chances of trimming the field even a little.

TBH, I'm not sure there is a wrong way to play the hand as long as you never fold. Could come down to your philosophy of the game of limit, of which I can't say I have one anymore. I just thought I'd bring up what I've read in the past.